Monday, June 30, 2008
Histopatology!
Fig1.1 Hotplate.
Added to explain in my reply to one of the comments.
Subject: Histology
I am posted to Histopathology/Cytology department, together with Ernest and Tira. ;) (Hope they can stand my craziness at times as the formalin is making us real high. LOl)
This week we are at the Histopathology department, and I heard that we will be in cytology for a month! We been there before, during our tour and I saw the Biosafety Hood (remember what Ms. Chew mentioned before? Yes. The expensive one. )
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The overview of the Histopathology was explained to us by one of our friendly colleagues.
Surgeon cuts specimen of interest-->sends to Histopathology department receiving room-->request forms are checked thoroughly and biopsy no is issued to each patient/case-->sends specimen to trimming room(2 steps away only. Haha)-->pathologists trim big/large specimen while medical technologists trims smaller ones-->cut specimen placed in cassettes--> send for tissue processing--> embedding-->microtomy-->heat slides before staining (H&E as the most common staining)-->sorting slides according to the different doctors and the request forms--> send out for pathologists to read the slides
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Assisting during trimming:
These few days, we were allowed to observe how our colleagues and help out what we could. I assisted the pathologist during trimmer by preparing and labeling cassettes (using a special tissue and cassette marker which cannot be dissolved by any solvent known to the histo-department) for them according to the specimen received and jot down the number of cassettes used for each case before putting them into formalin. The most common specimens received are breast, uterus, colon and kidney and the others are lungs, bile, prostate, fetus, and placenta. I even found out from our colleagues that they had received eyeball and an entire leg before! During trimming, the pathologist will also dictate what they observed, for instance, a cyst in found __ cm near the right margin. These dictations will be sent to the admin staff who will type it out as a report to be attached to the respective request form. Sometimes, the pathologists will also ‘colour’ the specimen using special dyes of different colours as to denote the different parts of the specimen.
Fishing:
Other than assisting during trimming, we also did fishing, heating of slides and sorting slides. After cutting the tissues using the microtomy, we will put the tissues into cold water first before putting them into the water bath. This is to increase the surface tension of the tissues, so that there will be no folds on the tissues which can hinder reading of slides. The water bath has an alarm system so that once the temperature is above 550C, the alarm will beep. The optimum temperature is between 500C to 540C. We will fish the tissues before labeling them according to what is stated on the cassettes. Everyday, we will fish from around 8am to 10 plus am, depending on the workload. Tissues are to be fished in the middle of the slide with the same orientation as the specimen embedded in the paraffin wax. If tissues are fished too high on the slide, it may be properly stained by the auto-stainer (machine for staining). If too low, tissue may be damaged during heating when not properly handled. The correct orientation facilitates checking of slides with cassettes before sending them out to the doctors and pathologists. Smaller tissues (app. 1cm by 1cm) are fished 6 in a slide, 2 by 2 by 2 slices, while normal size tissues are 1 per slide.
Heating:
After fishing, the slides will be tap dry before placing them slanted(partially) on the hot plate to remove all the water on the slide first. This is to prevent ‘smearing’ or moving of tissues out of their positions (on the slide) when they are heated on the hot plate for 3 mins at the highest temperature on the machine (the knob is pointing at 10, the maximum).
Staining:
After heating the slides, we will load the slides for H&E staining into this awesome machine called an auto-stainer. There is a total of 18 buckets of reagents, with 0.5% acid alcohol and lithium carbonate (not for H&E but for other types of staining). This machine also incorporates a part where it mounts the coverslip for you! So fast and with no air bubbles in it! Not like that time where our fingers trembled when placing coverslip. Some slides are requested for special staining like GMS and PAS where they will be placed in another machine. Some types of staining even need up to 1.5 hours!
Sorting:
After the slides are mounted, we will sort them according to their batch no and biopsy no before sorting them again according to respective request forms and the different doctors. These will be checked by our colleagues before sending them out.
The manpower in histopathology department is rotated throughout the different sections, for instance, receiving, trimming, embedding, microtomy, and staining. The hospital we are in receives the most no of specimens and requests everyday, which explains the large no of slides we do everyday. The staff there are also very experience, many of whom with at least 8 years of experience in histopathology department!
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woahh.
receiving a whole leg is wayyyy cooler than looking at hundreds of colourless liquid that may potentially, maybe in the next century, contain answers to cancer.
anyway why are you there only for a month? and do you rotate around to different stations eventually?
you said that the pathologist will colour the specimens? so they colour a part of a leg?! and then what happens do theyjust throw the leg in the bin? cause that would just be awesome.
GLAD
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Hi. It looks like you are enjoying yourself there.
Anyway, you mention that some slides are requested for special staining. So, what the the types of slides that requires the use of these special stains?
What is so special about these stain and what do these stain eventually stain?
Haha. That's about it.
Have fun.
Xin Yi
TG02
Hey, long time no see. Hope you are having fun in the histo lab.
Anyway, you mentioned that in fishing, if the tissue is fished too low, it may be damaged during heating when not properly handled. Can you explain how will the tissue be damaged? Cos i thought the entire slide will be placed on the hot plate? So why if too low it may be damaged then if too high it'll not be?
Thanks.
Ka Hang
TG02
Hi Glad!
I'll only rotate between Histopathology and cytology. And when will that happen, I'm not sure. They didnt tell us anything yet. Haha.
They usually colour specimens to differentiate the different sides of a cut tissue. Eg. The right margin is inked orange, left margin inked blue. The dyes they used are special(cannot be removed) and they usually wash the inked area with acid alcohol to remove excess dye and make the colour stay. The different colours are: orange, yellow, green, blue, black. Green and blue are difficult to be differentiated so they are usually not used in the same specimen. I heard that there's a violet colour coming up! ;)
Ying Chee
TG01
Hi Xin Yi!
I've only started learning about staining today cos our colleague worried that i'll be bored as we have not be allocated any tasks at the moment.
Cant answer much as i've only learnt about PAS staining for like about 10 mins. Maybe can answer more next time.Haha
PAS staining- To detect presence of glucose via the use of diatase. Last time, they actually spit onto the slides! (amylase u see)
And the tissues that required special staining are usually labeled with all the types of stain they required. Today i chanced upon Fe stain, Orc stain, CAB stain, GMS, TB and PAS stain (common). And ya, one type of tissues is renal biopsy ;)
Sorry for the inadequate answer. Shall improve on it next time! (after i've master it. haha)
Ying Chee
TG01
Hi there!
Thought i just saw u? Haha.
Ya. Regarding the slides, after fishing, we have to lean the wet slides against the sides of the hot plate at a certain degree. But of course, the sides of the hot plate are hot (which serve the purpose o dry the wet slides faster). If the tissues are fished too high up, it may be in contact with the metal sides of the hotplate and be heated and melted immediately. Simiarly, if the tissues are fished too low, it will touch the surface of the hotplate and be melted too.
I will post a pic on it. You can refer to the pic ;)
Ying Chee
TG01
hey ying chee!
OMG, you guys are so fortunate to do histopathology. i love htech practicals! (:
ooh ya, when you mentioned formalin makes you 'high', it sounds so familiar! haha. one of my seniors who's taking medicine course, told me that formalin make people hungry and they usually feel very hungry when doing surgery. haha.
ok, besides those irrelavant stuff can i enquire that if you're dealing with many samples, do you still have to do the procedure in sequence for each sample (like complete one sample and go on to another or do fishing for all then procede on to the next step)
as in, can it be left unattended for quite some time?
hey! so interesting! I will be in histo lab for 2 weeks from 14 - 26 jul too! Now doing microbiology..
You mentioned that you people received eyeballs and legs? That's to test what?
Also, why is the optimum temperature for the waterbath so high? >500 C is really high!
Thanks!
Lloyd
Hi Lloyd!
The waterbath temperature is 55 degree celsius. Sorry that i didnt notice the mistake when i cut and paste from word doc.
Ya. I'm not particularly sure because the pathologist will request the type of stain for the tissues, whether it is just H&E or with special stain like Gram stain to differentiate Gram positive and Gram negative bacteria. So for the eyeball and leg, they will request for the stain to detect what they want, Rg. whether it is Gram positive or gram negative bacteria that causes the bacterial infection.
I was not around that time so i didnt know what the pathologist requested for. It happened quite some time ago. Haha
Hope you don't mind my answers :)
Ying Chee
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Hi Medtech!
You forgot to state your name. Remember to do so ok. Important for recording :)
Ya. The pathologists will trim all the tissues they received and the tissues will be classified into different batched. Eg. Batch 1 is those tissues trimmed in the morning and so on. So all the tissues will be processed at the same time and embedded, before sending for microtomy. After cutting each block of tissues, we will fish the tissues onto the slide. This is to avoid mix-up of tissues and also to keep the waterbath clean. Any debris will be removed immediately. After fishing, we will dry and heat the slides. When there is sufficient slides to load a rack, we will send that rack of slides for staining and mounting. :)
Ying Chee
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omg yes, the one commenting for med tech is me, liyanah haha.
liyanah zaffre
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tg02
Hi Ying Chee
you mentioned about the use of different coloured dyes to denote different parts of a specimen. could you give some examples?
another question, the 18 buckets with reagents in it also contains 0.5% acid alcohol and lithium carbonate? may i know what are the uses of acid alcohol and lithium carbonate in these buckets and why for H&E don't need acid alcohol and lithium carbonate?
Thanks! =)
Malerie
TG02
HIHI YC !
How are things there!
OMG ! What an eye-opening experience thus far for you...wonder what other torsos, limbs etc will you people receive subsequently?! (Thinking of SAW!) Over on my side, i'm actually dealing with mice, performing IP, SC injections, blood collection, Gavaging etc ! Frankly speaking, it;s quite a traumatizing experience for both the mice and me ! Mice screeching isn't music to one's hear...
Anyway, I’m really intrigued by the auto-stainer machine with much fascination and it's state-of-the-art capability! IMHO, I bet none would enjoy having to mount coverslips manually, especially in abundance. Except for a handful of weirdos that is !.
Back to the topic, you brought up that Periodic acid-Schiff staining which i believe, is utilized to stain the presence of carbohydrates such as glycogen; proteoglycans etc. in order to distinguish the various types of glycogen storage diseases. And this type PAS staining together with GMS staining is performed by a separate machine.
Hence, may i know how different do this 2 machines operate and how are the 2 staining techniques executed?
Thanks YC XD !
Albert Chan
TG 01
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HIHI YC !
How are things there!
OMG ! What an eye-opening experience thus far for you...wonder what other torsos, limbs etc will you people receive subsequently?! (Thinking of SAW!) Over on my side, i'm actually dealing with mice, performing IP, SC injections, blood collection, Gavaging etc ! Frankly speaking, it;s quite a traumatizing experience for both the mice and me ! Mice screeching isn't music to one's hear...
Anyway, I’m really intrigued by the auto-stainer machine with much fascination and it's state-of-the-art capability! IMHO, I bet none would enjoy having to mount coverslips manually, especially in abundance. Except for a handful of weirdos that is !.
Back to the topic, you brought up that Periodic acid-Schiff staining which i believe, is utilized to stain the presence of carbohydrates such as glycogen; proteoglycans etc. in order to distinguish the various types of glycogen storage diseases. And this type PAS staining together with GMS staining is performed by a separate machine.
Hence, may i know how different do this 2 machines operate and how are the 2 staining techniques executed?
Thanks YC XD !
Albert Chan
TG 01
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Sorry for double post ! XP
aye. thanks babe.
so the colours are universal histo language for different margin. gottit.
glad
eyeball? yucks. anyway, what are the different dyes you guys learnt to use till now
yuxuan
eyeball... yucks. that's so gross.anyway what are the different types of dyes you guys have learnt to use by now?
yuxuan grp 6
Hi YuXuan,
We didnt learn any dyes/stains(nor anything much)last week. We just observed. All we know is that H&E staining is the most common and is done by machine while some other special stains are by machines too. So they are more of a automated lab. ;)
I'm starting to learn about stains and maybe my next post can be on staining. Haha
Thanks for the idea!
Ying Chee
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